he seemed a little frustrated at the pace of how these negotiations are going. but he also came across as the cool, calm, no drama obama that we've come to know from him as a candidate and as president. he really was very firm. we kept trying to push him on this tax issue, and he looks like he has learned the lesson from various debt negotiations, budget talks from. debt ceiling, negotiations of 2011. and he is not giving an inch here when it comes to letting tax rates for top earners expire at the end of this year. >> rose: why does he think and why do you think the president, i mean the speaker is not prepared to go there and be able to extract something else he wants from the president because clearly the president is projecting the idea that this is not something that's going to happen, any giving up of the tax break, the tax cut it is extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. >> because i think one of the thing that this ultimately does come down, this set of negotiations is entitlement. ultimately that is where, that is what's driving the deficit and th